. >> i'm sorry, jim, i'm going to stop the subsidy to pbs and other things. i love big bird and i actually like you, too. i'm not going to keep on spending money on things to borrow money from china to pay for are it. >> was that smart as a way to show that he is serious about cutting spend or is it always a mistake to take on big bird? >> well, big bird is pretty popular but maybe the president would say big bird didn't build his own nest, i don't know. but i think that it is -- it probably maybe not going after big bird but is certainly pbs and public broadcasting is popular in terms of taking them on in the spending side. i don't think he was going down the wrong path. maybe not so much with big bird. >> chris: a couple of minutes left. i want to look forward. what do you expect from this week's vice presidential debate between joe biden and paul ryan? >> well, i am sure that vice president biden got a phone call from the white house and said you know look, we didn't go after governor romney as much and so you have got to turn up the heat. because the deba